Posts by cha ching

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Part 3- Finale- Settlement Meeting with Circuit Overseer

by Randy M. in

this is the finale of my meeting with watchtower's circuit overseer henry turner in an attempt to reach a settlement agreement with some kind of resolution .

if you watched the 1st 2 parts you will need to see this because it is in my opinion the best part.

i have also included more still shots of the players so that it will be easier to follow.

cha ching

It is quite sad to hear this, I feel so sorry for you. We have had the same thing happen to us, tho not to that extent. A brother did not fulfill his contract, delivered nothing, and we lost quite a bit of money.

Did we go to court? no.... I really wish we had.

What that man said to you was quite pitiful, turning it back on you each time, "Now, how do you think Jehovah feels about you?" He sounds just like the WT, "Why did you believe in 1975?"

I am so glad that you stuck to your guns, and realized that taking "your brother" (is he really a 'brother' when he slanders, robs, etc) to court. Quite relieved, actually...

Morals and scriptures mean nothing when the good person gets robbed.

Thank you for sharing, I am glad the WT is having to pay for it's errors, and their warped way of dealing with people is getting exposed.

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umbertoecho re the ARC

by umbertoecho in

hello to everyone.. i hope you are all well and sorting things out between yourselves.

i have temporary internet access which is probably a good thing for now.

i have been contacted by the arc in a respectful and loving manner today.

cha ching

Thank you again Umber,

because you, and other brave abuse victims, went before ARC.... it feels like a tsunami has began.... the wave starts way out at sea, and gathers force as it approaches the land.... it becomes powerful.

Power is what it will take to do anything to WTBS. Weakening it's ranks is what WT hates... piece by piece, isn't that how the Berlin wall was taken down? Elders, MS, wives, kids have all been affected and moved by what they saw and heard at the Royal Commission hearings.

Perhaps people did not really take the time to think about how much this effects a person, how it changes their lives. Thank you for being a part of the picture that makes things real, does not allow for 'excuses' to continue. Thank you for making people face the cruelty abusers and WT (like a cherry on top) makes you live with.

The cute phrases of "Jehovah will make things better" and "they won't remember it in the new order" or my most hated phrase, "we don't want to bring reproach on Jehovah's name or organization" are like cuts and swords to the heart of someone who has been abused.

Thank you, umbertoecho...... thank you all....

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Went for my first legal session today.

by umbertoecho in

the arc are indeed a patient lot who don't pressure.

they make sure a person feels safe.

they don't hold back with legal information either.

cha ching

Hi Umber, thank you so much for all of your info, I find it so interesting, as I believe the more info that is out there, the less the WTBS will get away with!

I love hearing about how the WT is not winning it's legal battles!

I am a fan of yours! Thx!

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Strange people you have studied WT and Bible with.

by kaik in

when i look back into era when i conducted bible studies i recall several nice people, but also weird and strange.

my last bible study was with couple who were the new capitalists; people who earned a lot of money often by illegal means.

i am sure they were dangerous, but i have not perceived that way.

cha ching

I met a lot of Bi le Studies "in need", in one way or another....

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The word “BROAD” and the Australian Royal Commission

by Londo111 in

perhaps i am making too much of this, but was anyone else struck with the number of times the word ‘broad’ and ‘broadly’ were used?

sometimes i wondered if it was due to coaching, in particular when the questioning put a person in a tight spot.

for instance, from the testimony of bowditch:.

cha ching

He nailed it w/o blinking an eye ;-)

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The word “BROAD” and the Australian Royal Commission

by Londo111 in

perhaps i am making too much of this, but was anyone else struck with the number of times the word ‘broad’ and ‘broadly’ were used?

sometimes i wondered if it was due to coaching, in particular when the questioning put a person in a tight spot.

for instance, from the testimony of bowditch:.

cha ching

Good catch Londo! Seems like they may use this word for court cases, whereas "evidently" or "apparently" are reserved for the written articles...?

I liked that article, thx for the link, GH! Some quotes:

#10: Bargain. Even when the jig is up, liars can often escape the worst by using a process psychologists call bargaining. "You want to soften, alleviate, or totally eliminate feelings of responsibility for the lie," explains researcher Mary DePalma. "If you can decrease responsibility for blame and the anger that goes with it, you're really looking at a much better outcome."

#3 Tell the truth, misleadingly. The hardest lies to catch are those which aren't actually lies. You're telling the truth, but in a way that leaves a false impression. Technically, it's only a prevarication - about half a sin. A 1990 study of pathological liars in New York City found that those who could avoid follow-up questions were significantly more successful at their deceptions.

#2 Lay your groundwork. Don't wait until you're under the interrogation lamp to start putting your story together. A 1990 study by psychologist Bill Flanagan showed that liars who had worked out the details of their stories beforehand had significantly more success than those who hadn't. As in everything, practice makes perfect.

Really good liars, on the other hand, actually enjoy the process of deceiving other people. "The best liars don't show any shame or remorse because they don't feel it," says Cohen. "They get a thrill out of actively misleading others. They're good at it, and they enjoy the challenge."

Is that why good ol' Geoffrey Jackson always has a smile on his face?

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Haemaphilliac Doctor talks of JW neighbours cruelty

by Diogenesister in

i got my fingers burnt last time i copied a post from reddit, but this one made me so mad i had to show you guys.

i think its possible that the witnesses antagonism was exaggerated in his child's mind, never-the-less any nastiness to a sick child is beyond the pale.

the hospital i trained in lost nearly every last one of its 500 haemaphilliacs to aids - i think around 30 survived from this era.http://www.modernluxury.com/san-francisco/story/when-doctors-need-doctors-after-dodging-death-sentence-looking-cure.

cha ching

Thx Digenes, that was a great article, I LOVE how that kid grew up to be a doctor, and wants to help change the world for the better! What would we do without them! Thx again!

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Leaving the JWs

by Hurting in

i am 32 years and have recently left the organisation.

i got baptised in last feb. please excuse any typing errors i have dyslexia.

it has been so hard this year i have gone through so many ups and downs.

cha ching

Hugs to you, Hurting....

This religion very insidiously makes EVERYONE feel as if they are never good enough, never did enough, should do more, etc, etc..

I would think about doing what will make your kids feel the best, without compromising truth. Real truth is gold. You don't want them to go thru the confusion & guilt that you did, right?

All of us go thru that dilemma in or head of what will "wake them up" or "help them", & sometimes there is nothing... Just closure for us.. So, take a while to think about it, spend time enjoying your kids. Take it slow, bounce things off of people here.

Glad you can vent, hugs, cha ching!

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"Reproach on Jehovah's name"

by Phizzy in

the longer i am away from the cult, the more very childish and downright silly it seems in many many ways.. just another example of the childlike way they do not think things through is their obsession with "not bringing reproach on jehovah's name", that concept was used to stop jw's doing all sorts of stuff, a lot of it quite normal.. but the worst aspect of this concept is that they cover up the evil within their org any way they can.. yet they only have to look back on all the cover-ups of the past, by other religions, by politicians etc etc to see that an open acknowledgement and an open dealing with the situation at the time is far better.. cover-ups get exposed in the end, and leave you looking far worse than if dealt with honestly..

cha ching

I have ALWAYS hated that phrase, "it will bring reproach on Jehovah's name"

If Jehovah wrote about all the crap that happened "in his org" in the Hebrew scriptures, he wasn't worried about "bringing reproach on his name" ... even tho his number one guy, Satan, screeed him in the garden of Eden...

I called a spade a spade... Why can't we?

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what buzz word from the jw's do you hate & why?

by Sabin in

jw
friends

so my hubby has been on a bit of a roll about the jdubs, we were talking a lot about them & he said the buzz word he hate's the most is "worldly" why?

because he say's "with that one word they have condemned (according to their believes) a person as being worthy of nothing but death.

".

cha ching

Evidently......

Apparently.....

"Mother"!!!!!!